Yeah, is Charity FC for a reason

Oh okay. For some reason I was thinking of Rafael Alcântara do Nascimento, but he was at PSG, not Bayern.

Nossa verdade apaguei isso da minha memória

Our main championship is the brasileirão série A. Palmeiras has 12, Flamengo and Santos 8, Corinthians 7, São Paulo 6 then it’s Cruzeiro, Vasco and Fluminense with 4, etc. Most Santos titles were in the 60’s though, their last one was in 2004.

About fanbase size, Flamengo has about 43 mi, Corinthians 32mi, Palmeiras and São Paulo about 16 mi, Vasco about 14mi, etc. Different sources put different numbers. You can see different pools here.

We have what we call it the “big 12”, which are the 12 brazilian Libertadores winners and are teams always fighting for the championships. Some years some are bad and can even get relegated while others are good, and that changes with time. Sometimes some clubs are bad for a decade, or even more. Everyone used to make jokes about botafogo for example, but now they were bought by a billionaire and are winning titles.

There used to be a joke that only old people are fans of Santos because they lived for the past victories, but then Neymar came and that changed. People here usually are fans of teams their families are fans, so even if your team is bad they still have a lot of fans.

Btw, CazeTV on youtube has the brazilian league serie A for free on youtube, You just need to use a vpn to watch it.

If you have any more questions feel free to ask.

How big is the gap in popularity and titles between the top clubs in Brazil?

It’s usually said we have twelve “greats” in Brazil: clubs that have a lot of history, a decent number of important titles and, every now and then, are frank contenders for trophies. However, every now and then one or a few of these greats experience a drought of titles, sometimes even relegation. The recent years’ consistency of Flamengo and Palmeiras is something we only see every couple decades.

In terms of titles, the “smallest” of the greats is arguably Botafogo, with two Brazilian championships and one Libertadores (plus various trophies from old tournaments). For a comparison, Flamengo has 8 Brazilian championships, 5 Brazil Cups, 3 Libertadores and 1 Intercontinental Cup (the original club world cup). Even so, Botafogo has one of the most illustrious histories in the country: they’re the club with the most players called to the national team, they were the foundation of the 1962 WC winning Brazil side, they’re the club of Garrincha, Jairzinho…

Vasco is one club with many important titles: 4 Brazilian championships, 1 Brazil Cup, 1 Libertadores, 1 Mercosul (the old Sulamericana)… Until the early 2010s, they had some pretty competitive teams, despite a relegation in 2008. But since 2013 they’ve experienced three relegations, a collection of historical embarrassments, and are very far from becoming a competitive team again. Funnily, they’re the only one of Rio de Janeiro’s four greats not to go to this Club World Cup.

edit: forgot to mention, but those 12 greats are traditionally considered to be Flamengo, Fluminense, Vasco, Botafogo, São Paulo, Santos, Corinthians, Palmeiras, Atlético-MG, Cruzeiro, Grêmio and Internacional. There have been national champions outside of these, such as Juventude, Guarani, Criciúma, Athletico-PR, Bahia and Sport; but these have never been considered to be as constant or as outstanding as the others (maybe Athletico deserves to be considered the 13th great, though; they’ve even won Sulamericanas and been to two Libertadores finals after all).

On a national level, there’s a Big 12, which have by far the most national and international titles. Most states have their own Big 2-4 though: for example, neither Remo nor Paysandu are part of the Big 12, but they dominate the Pará state league

Santos is a club from a relatively small town in São paulo, not from one of the capital cities, which limits it’s reach, especially since it’s surrounded by the giants, both from São Paulo and from nearby Rio de Janeiro and Minas Gerais.

In terms of popularity, it’s centered around the southeast of the country, especially the three richest states, Rio, São Paulo and Minas gerais. Flamengo and Corinthians are the biggest fanbases, Flamengo at around 45 million and Corinthians somewhere in the mid 30 millions. In titles it’s relatively close. This was from 2 years ago

Our league is a bit different from most countries as we historically have 12 big teams that have a huge fan base and all won at least one continental title plus some national ones. There’s also +3 teams that are also considered big, but not necessarily past of the 12 group.

Brazil is, as you’ve probably heard lot, a huge country. Several states are bigger than many European countries and each one will have their teams, local rivals and all of that.

Basically, big country, very competitive league and not really a monopoly on one team (also we are Brazilian so it always feels like our teams are one crocked present away from going bankrupt)

They had their best teams during the peak of the television era. Flamengo, Corinthians, Palmeiras, São Paulo and Vasco have national fan bases because of this, especially Flamengo and Corinthians. As for which is the biggest, it’s best not to ask this question unless you want to generate a huge discussion, the dynamics of Brazilian football are very different compared to European leagues.

Flamengo is the most popular in Brazil because it was the most popular in Rio, which was the country’s capital and continues to be the city that concentrates the largest radio and television media.Corinthians is also very popular in Brazil because it is the most popular team in São Paulo, the country’s financial center and the state with the largest population. Both Flamengo and Corinthians were successful in their state championships before the 1950s, when the largest fan bases were established. After that, even after years without titles, those fan bases remained the most popular.

The Brazilian league is very balanced, there’s no one or two teams that run away with it every year like in Europe

I think the difference between the national titles is like Palmeiras has 18 and flamengo has 16, so it’s not too wide a gap. Recent success is hard to say, Both Flamengo and Palmeiras have dominated south american and national football since 2019, it’s probably even.

As for why Flamengo is the most popular, it’s a club that was formed in Rio de Janeiro, which at the time was capital of the country, it’s known as a club of the people, demographically most fans of Flamengo are part of the lower classes, which as you can imagine is the highest population.

In the early days, before TVs were widespread, radio stations from Rio broadcast their games nationwide, so people in all corners of the country were able to follow the team, and so it’s basically got the biggest fanbase in every region of brazil.

I mean the placing. If I’m not mistaken we are at 200.

Everyone mocks us because we don’t have our own stadium, but Flamengo is the only team in Brazil (and maybe the world) that has like 3 or 4 home turfs

Every now and then we play home games at Brasília or Pará or Espírito Santo

Hey you’re welcome to join the nation!

Yeah. I just heard from someone today who has some club connections that he’s leaving after this tournament. If it’s true and not just rumor, I don’t know. But it would be best for the club going forward for sure.